As far as I know, Durin IV is never mentioned explicitly in any canon material beyond the presence of his name in the genealogy of the House of Durin. All we know about him is that he lived after Durin III (who supposedly received a Ring of Power from Celebrimbor, and therefore lived sometime around the War of the Elves and Sauron) and before Durin V and VI (Durin VI was slain by the Balrog of Moria in T.A. 1980). Thus, he lived in either the late Second or early Third Ages, but to identify him specifically as the King of the Longbeards during the War of the Last Alliance (as has been done in other articles) is pure conjecture. I think the reference to Durin IV, therefore, should be removed. Corsair Caruso 02:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I think we covered this here. Please feel free to remove all the inaccuracies. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:13, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, will do. Also, I wanted to add a reference to The Peoples of Middle-earth: Of Dwarves and Men, specifically, the section titled "Relations of the Longbeard Dwarves and Men." On page 305 of The Peoples of Middle-earth, it states that "The Second Age had reached only the middle of its course (c. Second Age 1695) when he invaded Eriador and detroyed Eregion, a small realm established by the Eldar migrating from the ruin of Beleriand that had formed an alliance also with the Longbeards of Moria. This marked the end of the Alliance of the Longbeards with Men of the North." I wanted to insert a reference to my edit regarding the end of the economic relationship between Dwarves and Men occurring at that time, but I'm not able to edit the references section. Corsair Caruso 01:09, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
- You shouldn't be able to edit the references section! ;-) To add a reference, just do as usual: to provide a reference to the section you mention above, just write <ref>{{PM|Relations}}</ref> after the sentence you edit or add in the article. You can find the citation template for The Peoples of Middle-earth here.--Morgan 09:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Vale or Vales of Anduin ?
In the LotR, "Vale" is written more often than "Vales" ; in UT, it's mostly "Vales"
Maybe indicate that both term are usable ? Erendis (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me, do you think we should add a link to a note/citation next to each term or does that feel like overkill? Hyarion (talk) 00:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- I added one reference for the term "Vales of Anduin" and one reference "Vale of Anduin". I agree that adding references for every instance where each of those two terms is used would be overkill. The terminology is more complex. In UT, apart from the index the term "Vale of Anduin" is used by J.R.R. Tolkien (not Christopher Tolkien) once in the chapter The History of Galardriel and Celeborn and once in Appendix A of that chapter. The term "Vales of Anduin" is used once in Appendix B of that chapter, once in the chapter The Disaster of the Gladden Fields, four times in the chapter Cirion and Eorl and the Friendship of Gondor and Rohan, in note 8, note 18 and note 19 of that chapter, twice in the chapter The Hunt for the Ring, once in the chapter The Istari and once in note 4 of that chapter. In LOTR the term "Vales of Anduin" is used in Appendix A in the entry for King Ciryaher (Hyarmendacil I) of Gondor, once in the entry for King Eärnil II and his son Eärnur and once in Appendix F (II). In LOTR there are also instances where "vales of Anduin" or "vale of Anduin" is used and where "Vale of Anduin" is used in the narrative, but may apply to the entire vale of Anduin including the south in Gondor (e.g. in The Taming of Smeagol, The Siege of Gondor, The Black Gate Opens, The Land of Shadow and The Steward and the King) (e.g. where Minas Tirith or Ithilien are). If I understand the page correctly, the page is about the part of the Vales of Anduin east of the Misty Mountains and not the part further south in Gondor. --Akhôrahil (talk) 13:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- perfect ! thank you for this note Erendis (talk) 15:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)