Talk:Variags

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Latest comment: 31 July 2016 by Edrastel in topic Variags as the Axe-wielding Men.

Variags as the Axe-wielding Men.

So the novel mentions never-before-seen Men at the Siege of Gondor that wielded axes and were bearded like Dwarves. Could it be possible that this was in reference to the Variags? EldritchNexus 15:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do you have a chapter/page citation for the appearance of the Axe-men? Seeing the quote in its context would help immensely in making a possible connection. --Edrastel 03:34, 23 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was in "Siege of Gondor" that they were mentioned. EldritchNexus 11:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found the quote and the first mentioning of the Variags, and it seems to me that the two aren't directly connected.

There is no news of the Rohirrim,' he said. 'Rohan will not come now. Or if they come, it will not avail us. The new host that we had tidings of has come first, from over the River by way of Andros, it is said. They are strong: battalions of Orcs of the Eye, and countless companies of Men of a new sort that we have not met before. Not tall, but broad and grim, bearded like dwarves, wielding great axes. Out of some savage land in the wide East they come, we deem. They hold the northward road; and many have passed on into AnĂ³rien. The Rohirrim cannot come.

There they had been mustered for the sack of the City and the rape of Gondor, waiting on the call of their Captain. He now was destroyed; but Gothmog the lieutenant of Morgul had flung them into the fray; Easterlings with axes, and Variags of Khand.

By these passages, it seems the bearded axe-men were some new group of Easterlings rather than the Variags, who are named separately from the Easterlings with axes. --Edrastel 19:47, 28 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...Or the Easterlings with axes were just...Easterlings with axes. A simple acknowledgement of Easterlings, and of the weapons they wield. That's all. These Easterlings happened to be wielding axes, just like the mysterious bearded men, but that doesn't mean the Easterlings are the bearded men. On the other hand, we don't really get a description of what the Variags look like. Gondor's fought Easterlings before, so they can't be these "Men of a new sort that we have not met before". Not to mention that Khand is to the East of Gondor. EldritchNexus 18:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gondor fought with Variags before the Battle of the Pelennor Fields as well, when they joined with the Wainriders in an attack on Gondor. It may be that the bearded axe-men were simply a new and different group of Easterlings that had not appeared in Gondor in the past. Whoever the bearded axe-men were, there isn't enough information given to draw a definite connection between them and the Variags. --Edrastel 20:13, 31 July 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]