User talk:Edrastel

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Welcome![edit source]

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-- Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 04:07, 21 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

References[edit source]

Hi there, just a quick note to ask that when you add references to any book in the The History of Middle-earth series can you also add a page reference? Cheers! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:02, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Will do! -- Edrastel 22:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Edrastel! Thanks for your good work at TG! Another quick note: when it comes to referencing Unfinished Tales there is a specific problem. Different editions of this book use different pagination (in contrast to The History of Middle-earth). Having a page reference might therefore be confusing for readers. The same applies, for example, to The Lord of the Rings.--Morgan 13:36, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, I see. I wasn't sure if the page citations applied to all non-Hobbit/LOTR/Silmarillion content. I'll remember in the future! --Edrastel 14:05, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OMG Bro![edit source]

You are killing me (of course there was no way you could have known, heh). I just spent over an hour sourcing, writing, and editing Ingwë's page, and now I can't save any of my editing because you went in and changed ONE word (okay, actually it was two words). >_< I really don't know what to do right now, but if I undo your edit and then put it back, please forgive me. I don't think that would work though because the undo might just count as another change.

So, for right now I'm just going to copy over for each section I changed, save it, and then put back your History edit. --Elf-esteem 03:08, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, wow, sorry! I had no idea D: I'll steer clear of that page for now while you're at it. If you've still got the citations in an unsaved source, maybe you could copy it? --Edrastel 03:23, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whew! Heh. I really should save as I go, so I don't get stuck for like 2 hours on one page dithering around between mutliple books and pdf file searches to find the info I need. But, I worry that half-done edits will draw the ire of the admin. Anyway, the undo trick worked! I undid your edit, which allowed me to save my edit, and then edited your edit back. *wipes brow* All is well! Just one of those things. Do as you wish with Ingwë's page, I'm done with it for now.
I saved a copy in my sandbox, too, just in case, like you suggested. I had no idea if the undo thing would work. I probably should putter in my sandbox, instead of live editing when I do page overhauls, but I swear I was literally just going to add like 1 or 2 refs in 'other versions'. Then I saw all these messy refs and it became a thing. Things happen.--Elf-esteem 03:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yup. Glad to see everything's worked out though! --Edrastel 03:56, 27 April 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I love your userboxes![edit source]

As long as the admin doesn't mind, please sir, may I have some more? But Angband though? Boooooooooooooooo! I want an anti-Angband one. This user was happy when Glorfindel stomped on Angband in T.A. 1975! My best friend says, you need to make a userbox for Team Éowyn and Team Arwen, lol! I am thinking maybe Team Boromir and Team Faramir, too because I would be on Team Faramir. Faramir was a really good person. How about one for this user supports a fruit sun and a flower moon? Or does that just fall under the flat earth Silmarillion? This user believes that Elves awoke beneath the stars of Varda. Yup! --Elf-esteem 00:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! I figured there could be some new additions here and there. --Edrastel 02:28, 2 May 2016 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey![edit source]

Is your height really 0.943 ranga? About 35 inches tall? I think I'm 1.78 ranga. --Lorienian 21:45, 7 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LOL, looks like I mistyped something along the way. That should be the rangar equivalent of 72 inches tall. --Edrastel 03:17, 8 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Haha I wondered because I didn't know what ranga was without looking, and then I saw what it represented and was like Hmm... :P --Lorienian 18:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pronunciations[edit source]

Hiya. You may notice that I've undone a lot of your changes to pronunciations. In particular, you've altered "ai" pronunciations from "eye" to "ah-ee", e.g. in Edain you changed "eh-deyen" to "eh-dah-een". Aside from confusing readers about whether this is two or three syllables, let me quote from Tolkien "AI has the sound of English eye". If Tolkien was happy to describe the sound as "eye", I think we can be too. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:52, 28 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can agree that "eye" as described by Tolkien is a fitting example of pronunciation, but I feel that when surrounded by consonants the intended pronunciation can be lost to many casual readers. "Deyen" could very easily be pronounced as "day-en" if someone is unaware of the "eye" context. I won't persist against what the veteran staff has decided upon, but I think it would be beneficial to use a pronunciation scheme less easily misinterpreted. --Edrastel 04:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that "Deyen" sounds like "day-en". I am accustomed to indicating that pronunciation with 'ai', but now that I'm studying phonetics, the International Phonetic Alphabet sure does clear things up. It uses "aɪ" to indicate the "eye" diphthong. <br\> If you would prefer "a pronunciation scheme less easily misinterpreted," I'd recommend the IPA, even though it isn't as intuitive, as it allows for sounds from any language, and not just English. Yes, it might be a bit much to expect readers to learn to pronounce the IPA symbols. But to be honest, if a reader is interested in pronouncing Elvish words, it follows that they are interested in the phonetics, and phonetics forms are only as good as their least detailed symbol. <br\> Perhaps two methods of pronunciation guides should be given - one for the casual reader, using "eh-deyen", and for the phonetics-oriented reader, "/ɛˈdaɪn/". Just an idea, although I know the veteran staff has decided to use a simpler pronunciation guide. <br\> --Lorienian 18:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concerning your revision of the Misconception article[edit source]

Hello! Removing the "Years of the Sun" section from the Misconceptions article, you pointed out: "This is not a misconception, but is in fact supported in Morgoth's Ring and The War of the Jewels." I checked these sources but did't find supportive material about First Age "of the Sun". Where did you excactly find supportive material for this? -- Ar-Zigûr (talk) 08:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]