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Ok.But I want you to know that I don't have any bad intentions.I mean, I am not trying to destroy Tolkien Gateway, I am trying to improve it. Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου

Don't worry. I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm sure you can make good contributions, and making new articles is in part needed, but maybe you could focus more on filling them. That would be very useful. --LorenzoCB (talk) 21:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi LorenzoCB. I recently edited the page on Galadriel, but you claimed I disregard terms used in the source and said my edits were poor. I would like to know where I went wrong. I did add a little inference, as some of the story of Galadriel does not align with the main procession of events. None the less it is cannon. I noticed that some part of the page were not chronically correct and missing significant information. I would appreciate clarification. Thanks. Unsigned comment by Bobsagit103 (talk • contribs).

I recommend that you act as an example and that you clarify here which parts of the Galadriel page are not chronologically correct or are missing which significant information and provide the reasons and the references to sources for that. Any speculation/theory/inference should be clearly prased as a possibility not a fact and the reason on which the possibility is based should be provided and accompanied by a reference for that reason (i.e. "It is possible that ..., because"). Usually LorenzoCB is a thorough editor and he rewrote the Galaxriel page. --Akhorahil (talk) 06:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi. Akhorahil, I can answer by myself, thanks. Bobsagit, I undid your edits mainly because you used terms that are not used in the sources; for example "Lady of Eregion" (even if she acted as the lady there, the term appears nowhere IIRC). Also, Galadriel created alliances against the growing Evil, but nobody knew it was Sauron till the creation of the One Ring. The name "Annatar" is not given in the source used in the text. You removed several details, like dates and events. Besides, I'll soon revise the article, in which I will probably remove the idea of Galadriel and Celeborn as the founders of Eregion, among many other things. --LorenzoCB (talk) 10:28, 1 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please block the users Jamesmaria1525 and Mariajames1525 and their IP address

The reason is spam if you look at the edit. --Akhorahil (talk) 06:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. --LorenzoCB (talk) 11:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello.Why did you reversed the edit that I did on the page Trotter?This character is non-canon, he was not used in this form that Tolkien originally imagined.This name was not used eventually by Tolkien. Do you deny that? ---User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου, 12.16, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. You reversed my edit in first place instead of discussing it. There is no not-canon because everything is canon in its own context. That's the policy of the wiki and that's why I finally deleted the category. --LorenzoCB (talk) 13:24, 2 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I would like to explain something.I uploaded these images today in a hurry.I didnt't do it on purpose.Do you understand what I am saying? I would also like to ask you something. Why did you deleted the image that I just uploaded again?It is permitted here, on Tolkien Gateway, to be upoaded images type webp.--Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 00:10, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to explain something extra.As you can see, I just upladed more images.I have nothing more to say.But I would like these images not to be deleted, because they are good images visually, and not only that.What do you say? I am not trying to destroy Tolkien Gateway.I am trying to improve it.--Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 02:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I know you are not trying to destroy TG. You are making a necessary work. There was no problem you uploaded those images with bad file names, a common beginner's mistake. But why do you excuse yourself, and ask others to fix it, and then you proceed to upload more with the same problems? Also, webp is an annoying format; that's why I reuploaded those. You cannot make others to clean what you can easlily do while uploading an image. Please, take this into account when you come back. --LorenzoCB (talk) 06:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Say Something

Hello.Thank you.I will try not to do it again.But this is not the first time that I upload images here, on Tolkien Gateway, as you may know.Maybe I do it in a hurry, but I do it with good intentions, not with bad intentions, I mean to destroy Tolkien Gateway.Do you understand what I am saying?--Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Arondir image

I would like to explain something.I don't know, something went wrong possibly.I didn't do it on purpose (the image of Arondir that I just uploaded).Anyway.But I didn't do it with bad intentions. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't worry. --LorenzoCB (talk) 12:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello. I would like to ask you something. I would like to rename the image File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag2.jpg to File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag.jpg and to delete the image File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag.jpg that exists.I uploaded both of these images, but in the first image (the image File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag.jpg), when I uploaded it, I didn't see that this image has subtitles (actually I uploaded in a hurry), and that is why I uploaded the image File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag2.jpg and that is why I also want the image File:Shadow of Mordor - Ratbag.jpg to be deleted.Can you do it? It sounds complicated.Do you understand what I am saying? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. It's done. Please, avoid uploading images in a hurry. --LorenzoCB (talk) 16:00, 26 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello.I would like to ask you something.I didn't think it clearly about these two images that I just uploaded (about Nazgul leaving Minas Morgul).So, can you see and judge which of these two images needs to be deleted?In my opinion, the File:The Lord of the Rings - The Motion Picture Trilogy - Nazgul exiting Minas Morgul.jpg‎ needs to be deleted because this image is not very clear.I will try no to do it again. What do you say? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 22:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The last one uploaded is better. If you want an image to be deleted, just put the {{delete}} tag. --LorenzoCB (talk) 22:42, 27 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would like to ask you something.If you see the File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Celebrimbor.jpg closely, you will see that the name Amazon Studios appears there.I uploaded a new version of this image without the name Amazon Studios, but it still appears there.Can you do something about that?I don't know what else to do.Today I noticed the existence of this name on the image. Do you undestand what I am saying? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 15:04, 03 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apaprently, the current one doesn't have the little name. Sometimes when you revert an image or upload a new version, it takes a time to be updated, so better leave it so you don't revert things to the wrong one again. --LorenzoCB (talk) 15:09, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello.I would like to ask you something. Why did you deleted the files Tar-Miiel No2 and Mount Doom erupts No2? All these images were related to The Lord of the Rings The Rings of Power series.Now, there is only one image Tar-Miiel as depicted in The Lord of the Rings The Rings of Power series, and the same thing happens also about Mount Doom on image in The Lord of the Rings The Rings of Power series. Should these images be used somewhere, in some page I mean, and if yes, why? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 16:39, 04 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Because they were redundant files. Please, don't make me explain everything I do. --LorenzoCB (talk) 23:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Old Users

I would like to ask you something.I have noticed that Users Ederchil and Mith don't interfere in Tolkien Gateway's function anymore.Do you know why? I am saying that because they remain administrators of Tolkien Gateway. Do you have any contact with them or not? Do you know something more about them generally? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk), 22:47, 05 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have never been in contact with Ederchil, but I message Mith once in a while: he is very busy. I assume that having me around allows him to not worry about TG. In case I left, I'd let him know; but you know, being an admin doesn't oblige us to be active here. --LorenzoCB (talk) 23:00, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that User:Mith is the current chair of English Tolkien Society, isn't it? His real name is Shaun Gunner, I think. Or not? Furthemore, I would like to ask you and something else. Is there any active American user here, on Tolkien Gateway or not? Right now, I mean, of American nationality and origins. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk), 23:12, 05 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's well stated in Shaun's article he is Mith. I'm not giving you more info than the users are willing to give in their userpage. Why don't you ask in the Discord server if there is an American around? Btw, you are active there: why don't you just text me there instead of using my talkpage constantly? --LorenzoCB (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου, I am Chad Bornholdt, the "Chad in Texas" you hear about on several podcasts (Tolkien Professor,Prancing Pony,etc.) Do you have a question related to the USA & Tolkien? I also know Shawn Gunner if you need me to contact him. (I'm easy to find on FB & I love helping people with Tolkien!)

I actually got on here to ask LorenzoCB a question because I don't see how to Privately Message someone on here: I am on TG CONSTANTLY. I mean, at least 3 or 4 hours per day, quoting it to others, etc. Most of my editing is when someone tells me they found a typo or other small things like that. I've never found anything horribly wrong. Anyway, today I received an email that you edited the Tengwar page, undoing something I'd edited. However, all I did on that page was change "indepedent sounds" to "independent sounds". I'm positive I didn't do anything else, but I see you did some rearranging. Is that why it emailed me, to alert me to the rearrangements? (also if there's a way to PM so everyone doesn't have to read everything...) Unsigned comment by Chad in Texas (talk • contribs).

Hi Chad. No, I just checked, and your edit wasn't undo. I edited the Tengwar article an hour ago or so. You must have clicked on "Watch page", so you got an email alerting you that the page has been edited. We no longer have the option to directly send emails to users, unless it is provided in the userpage. But you can join the Chat if you want. LorenzoCB (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. An unregistered user named did a vandalism I think on page The Lord of the Rings Trading Card Game‎.For now, it's OK, I reversed it, I fixed it I mean, but I suggest you not to block him for now at least. What do you say? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I usually block reiterative vandals, and I prefer avoid blocking IDs. You don't need to consult me about undoing vandalism/spam. --LorenzoCB (talk) 01:16, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just suggested it.I didn't insist. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 01:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tolkien Gateway:Meetings

Hello.I would like to ask you something. Do you know about Tolkien Gateway:Meetings? If you dont understand, this is what I am talking about. Why doesn't anyone of you make these meetings like these of the past? You are an administrator, so you have the ability to do such a meeting.I am not an administrator, so I dont have this abiliy.Besides, I dont think will answer to such a call, because I am not administrator. So, why such meetings are yet to come here, on Tolkien Gateway? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 14:51, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes I know about them. I wasn't involved with TG back then. Those meetings were hold back when communication was more complicated and there were more admins and users involved with the wiki. Currently, important decisions are taken by Hyarion and me, who are publically in contact in the Discord server. Actually, you could talk to me more easily there rather than in my talkpage. --LorenzoCB (talk) 15:31, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tolkien Gateway anniversary

Hello.I would like to say something.January 1st of 2023, (I mean in seven days from now on), marks the twentieth anniversary of the creation of Tolkien Gateway.Should this be celebrated somehow, by organizing an online party, I mean? If you want, you can sugget it and to the other users of Tolkien Gateway. What do you say? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. I believe TG's anniversaries are counted from 3 June 2005, but anycase I agree it would be a nice idea to meet up. I commented about it a while ago in the Discord server. Idk if everyone (including me) will be free on new year day, but I'll ask which day would be best. --LorenzoCB (talk) 10:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello. I would like to ask you something. May I become an Gatekeeper of TG? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 23:40, 2 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. You are already one. Anyone who edits the wiki is a Gatekeeper. --LorenzoCB (talk) 11:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At last

Hello user.At last about time someone to edit this page. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 21:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello. I told you already. Please use the Discord server instead of my talkpage, specially if it is just to say hi. --LorenzoCB (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello user LorenzoCB.Can you help me in editing the template:films that I just edited? I don't know what to do I think you understand my intentions about this template that I just edited.Don't you? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 00:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Please, if you don't know how to edit something, test it in the TG:Sandbox, specially when we talk about a template. I already told you I don't doubt about your good intentions, but if you mess something up, undo it.--LorenzoCB (talk) 15:18, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello again.Thank you.Thank you very much.You did a good job. An I agree with the merge of these two editings you just did now. Thank you. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 18:03, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bilbo's Last Song question

Hello, I am a used/rare book dealer specializing in the Inklings. In your section on Bilbo's Last Song you do not mention a 2002 printing by Knopf. Am I missing some nuance? ISBN 978-0-375-82373-2

I love your site and use it often.

Regards Stan Shelley

Hello. Generally we didn't include US editions for the book galleries, as it would be an overwhelming amount of work in some cases. Are there more editions of this book missing? I guess we could include them. Thanks. --LorenzoCB (talk) 10:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello user. I didn't do it with bad intentions.I did it with good intentions, and I will try not to do it again.OK?----User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου, 14:41, 06 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cirth pages' problems

I am on TG several hours a day, usually fixing very small errors. (I know Tolkien extremely well. I know Wiki very little.)

I am also in the process of making a "Cirth Training" spreadsheet.

I noticed a LOT of problems with the Cirth pages, but there are so many that I don't want to change anything until I talk to who created them to see why they laid out the pages as they did. I believe their interpretation of JRR's in-world history of Cirth development is way off, but I want to ensure I'm not just misunderstanding their intentions.

What do you think my best path for finding & discussing with the author all the following pages? "Cirth" "Certhas Daeron" "Angerthas Daeron" "Angerthas Moria" "Angerthas Erebor"

Chad Bornholdt ( User:Chad in Texas, 26 March 2023

Hi. Remember this is a wiki open to everyone. No article is authored and you are free to edit any of them, but I understand why you may want to talk. You can check previous edits in the History section of an article (commonly above in the right). I notice User:Sage made the main edits for the Cirth article, no idea if he made the mistakes you have in mind. I agree those have some issue, seeing them at first sight. Again, feel free to edit, always following the TG:Manual of Style and adding the required references. --LorenzoCB (talk) 12:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blocking me

Hello LorenzoCB, I am MEGRIMLOCK. I have noticed a lot of blocking happening throughout TG because of inaccuracies, and I want to apologize in advance if I am one of those causing the inaccuracies. I am a lore-2 Tolkienist, and many of my edits are small things about the obvious parts of Middle-Earth. If I make a mistake, please tell me about it on my talk page so that I may fix it. Thank you in advance, MEGRIMLOCK, 4:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Don't worry. My function is not looking for users to block. I'm actually quite patient and we will teach you if you do something wrong. I'll warn you always before blocking, unless you don't keep respect.--LorenzoCB (talk) 17:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you.-- MEGRIMLOCK 6:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to Bother you again

Sorry to bother you again, but while I was editing other pages it would not allow me to edit, saying that my IP address was used by Dour1234 and that I was not allowed to edit. I can assure you that I am not Dour1234, and I am unable to edit at certain points. if you can tell me why, I would be happy for an explanation.-- MEGRIMLOCK 18:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't remove the option to block the recent IPs of the blocked user, my bad. I think it must be solved already. If there is any problem, please tell me. --LorenzoCB (talk) 11:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Unban MEGRIMLOCK, Sausageboy, Big daddy 68, and Weba--Farggle, 3 May 2023

Hi. No, I think you all better calm down a little for a couple of days. --LorenzoCB (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Unban Sausageboy, Big daddy 68, and Weba please they are just messing around.--MEGRIMLOCK, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm looking at you. --LorenzoCB (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Huh? --MEGRIMLOCK 8 May 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry for deleting things, Weba got ahold of my account and did things, I have reversed his edit and am changing my password. I do not know why he is targeting you.--MEGRIMLOCK 8 May 2023

First Age of the Children of Ilúvatar = First Age

Hello, Lorenzo. What do you think about the topic?

In my recent discussion with Akhorahil he pointed out that even if the term "First Age of the Children of Iluvatar" is supposed to mean the same as the term "First Age", there is no clear definition of the beginning of the term "First Age" alone. Fortunately, I did find the clear definition in The Nature of Middle-earth. -- Ar-Zigûr (talk) 09:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi. I can't say much now without checking the sources, but at first sight I agree it seems that the FA began with the Awakening. Btw, I think "FA of the Children of Ilúvatar" refers to that age as the first of the many ages of the Children of Ilúvatar, not that it is a proper name for the FA. Also, the article "Ages" could be focused in the concept in general, not only to the historical reckoning, so I don't approve merging FA of the Children of Ilúvatar into it before checking some things. LorenzoCB (talk) 11:06, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, I understand. You can see First Age#Terminology where I made a reference to The Nature of Middle-earth with an exact page number and quotation. -- Ar-Zigûr (talk) 11:52, 12 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello! Is it allowed to use Midway AI images created by You, Hyarion, and IvarTheBoneless in Kontuwiki? And if so, with what kind of licence? Yours, Tik / Kontuwiki Tik 05:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Great question Tik! Always nice seeing you around. Thanks for asking. I'm not familiar with Midway yet, I'll check it out. Do you have a particular article/image in mind? We want to make sure the AI illustrations are used as a last resort if we can't find any artists to illustrate a subject. As the last thing we want is for artists to feel like we prefer AI over their hard work. AI art currently cannot be copyrighted[1] at least in the US, but it's an ongoing discussion and is subject to change. We can continue to use the template {{copyright-ai|Midway|[[User:Username|Username]]}} and in the future we can add more clarifying text regarding the lack of copyright on the images. You might have noticed I've prefixed the file names with the name of the AI engine and not the user uploading the file. This is not rule, but it's an effort to not give the impression that I should be given much credit for the creation of an AI image. --Hyarion (talk) 14:01, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, no particular image in my mind but in general the same reason you use AI – no other pictures available Tik Tik 17:19, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
I'd say go for it then. I'm interested to see the result. --Hyarion (talk) 22:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, thank you! And here is the first image in Kontuwiki. I hope it's fine like this. Tik
And this is what it looks like in an article (Tata) Tik
It looks great. Check out Category:Images by AI if you're interested in more - as far as I'm concerned, any images prompted by me are yours to do as you please: however, keep in mind that those images were generated by Hyarion, so you should ask his permission first, as well as Lorenzo's, since he too prompted, modified and altered many of the AI prompts. - IvarTheBoneless (talk) 11:17, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, recently the US court accorded AI image cannot have copyrights, so anyone is (legally) free to appropiate our AI images. But it is kind to ask for permission and provide the source of the images. I give my total consent to have my modified images used by anyone. LorenzoCB (talk) 11:54, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seconded. Hyarion (talk) 14:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks again!
Tik Tik 19:02, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Reply to Discussion on "The Council of Elrond"

Apologies for posting here; I've been trying to post on the relevant discussion page, but I keep getting server error HTTP 403 every time I try to post. I hope it goes through here, and maybe you can copy my text there.

I absolutely agree with the length problem on this particular summary. The only problem is that this is not meant to be a synopsis (the blurb at the top of the article is that; just a single paragraph long), but a recapitulation. I've been trying to include much of the factual information from each chapter as well as an outline of its narrative structure both on its own and in relation to the rest of the book. It's worked moderately well for previous chapters, but this particular chapter is incredibly dense compared to any of the ones that preceded it: practically every paragraph in the original text contains new information, lore, or character development.

As I've said in the past, I would very much welcome help in paring down the text, though I always argue that it should be discussed in advance to make sure that specific important things aren't removed - such as information that would not be contained in any other article. The point of writing recapitulations is to describe the narrative, after all, as opposed to in-universe articles. But given the size of this monster, it might need a machete rather than a surgical knife.

I should point out, however, that despite its monstrous size this summary is still significantly shorter than the original text. It is not necessarily preferable to read the chapter itself; a recapitulation distills the information to the point where you can browse through points rather quickly, locating a specific piece of information you've been looking for within the narrative without having to decipher the narrative yourself. If this summary fails to do so, that would be a problem with my writing (not with the current size of the recap), and you would be very welcome to step in and fix that without any discussion.

--Headrock (talk) 15:52, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, but you are basically imposing your own view into the wiki. As an encyclopedic project, we must keep consistency on articles. Chapter Sysnopsis (which is how the sections should asctually be called, not "Summary") should not have different approachs. I agree a lot with keeping the chapter's structure, and that TLOTR and The Hobbit chapters needed revision. I appreciate your dedication and I see you are willing to go to the end with this revision (which not many editors can say that), but I think you would help a lot by sticking to the wiki's format and reduce the lenght of the current synopsis. As always I'd like to hear other opinions, but I don't think you will be able to convince me to read this recapitulation instead of the actual chapter. LorenzoCB (talk) 16:34, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could I have your help with something?

Hi, you seem to be the one of the people most active running this day to day so I hope you don't mind me asking for your help. I was adding in references for the War of the Ring page and one of them I couldn't get right no matter how hard I tried. I keep getting the message: Cite error: Closing </ref> missing for <ref> tag. I interpreted it just forgetting that last part of the reference but I checked and I'm not so I'm not entirely sure what I did wrong. Thanks so much! Aragorn II (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You did great! That reference syntax is one of the trickiest parts to learn. When a trailing ref tag is missing, MediaWiki won't realize this until the beginning of the next ref tag, which is where the error will be displayed. So the actual problem was actually just a bit farther above where you were looking :) Thanks so much for all your help! Hyarion (talk) 06:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
“Bad edits! I says to him. Cabbages and potatoes are better for me and you.” - Bilbo Baggins
Thanks! I'm still figuring this all out :) Aragorn II (talk) 07:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello. It's me. I am back. What did I miss? Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]