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Don't folks think that putting in Peter Jackson's nonsense of some vision of Arwen's while going to the Grey Havens is non-canonical in the extreme? And I refer, in addition, to the article "Canon" here within this Gateway... Unsigned comment by Orocarne (talk • contribs).

It's under portrayal in adaptations, so I don't really understand your complaint. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:49, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Our personal views are irrelevant, I think. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:02, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
I do see some use in the "Portrayal's" section, if only to warn readers that this is REALLY "out in left field" (a saying in the U.S.A.) and very much non-canonical... Unsigned comment by Orocarne (talk • contribs).
It is movie-canon. It's absence in the history section (book-canon) suffices, in this case. And I agree with Mith, personal judgments of value and quality are not relevant. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Should Eldarion be referred to as the 4th King of the Reunited Kingdom when the Kingdoms were only "reunited" under Elessar? One could say that the individual kingdoms were united in the first place under Elendil and then Isildur, but no King successfully "reunited" them until Elessar. Therefore, while it may be accurate to call Eldarion the fourth High-King of Arnor and Gondor, or the fourth High-King of the Dunedain Realms in Exile, I think he could only be called the Second High-King of the Reunited Kingdom, following his father as the first. Corsair Caruso 23:48, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Later days of Eldarion

The article says: "A hundred-and-five years after the fall of the Dark Tower, he encountered a renewal of Morgoth-worship during his reign (J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Peoples of Middle-earth, "XVI. The New Shadow")" quoting The New Shadow (PM 411). This dating is quite controversial, as noted by Christopher Tolkien (PM 419-20, nt. 7): Aragorn was still alive then (according to the revised dating of his death to FA 120). In other versions of the manuscript there are equally perplexing datings, too early to belong to the reign of Eldarion. Only in the Letter 338 (June 6th[?] 1972) Tolkien says that the beginning of the story is "supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldaron [sic!] about 100 years after the death of Aragorn". I find this the most plausible dating and also the last word of Tolkien to the question. --Tik 17:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)