From Tolkien Gateway


What's the purpose of the Trivia section? It's ripped straight from Wikipedia, and not very relevant. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

+1 --Morgan 21:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Black Horses[edit]

"[...] their black horses (stolen from Rohan)[...]". But in Rivendell, Gandalf said to Frodo, that the horses of the Nazgûl were creatures born in Mordor. --Sigismond 13:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

A probable cause for this slip-up is that somewhere (don't know exactly where anymore) it is said that the Black Horses of Rohan were coveted by Sauron, and that he sent out thieves for them. I think it's incorrect as currently worded. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Our article on the Rohirrim (and Wikipedia's on Rohan) says the horses were stolen. See this. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The article on ("see this") was really interesting. The reasoning (supported by quotes from the books), which is convincing to me, suggests that the black horses stolen by Sauron's orcs could actually be the steed of the Nazgûl, or at least the origin of the breed. But we should put a "perhaps" or "likely", IMHO. Sigismond, do you have a quote from the Rivendell chapter (read quickly, but it slipped my attention...)? --Morgan 19:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The tribute rumour is irrelevant to the actual question - were they born in Rohan and then stolen, or were they born in Mordor, bred from horses previously stolen? The latter is most likely, considering Sigismond's quote, though evidence for both is circumstantial.-- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm quite sure, that there is somewhere a note, considering, that the horses were (maybe at first) stolen from Rohan, but I cannot remember if it was in the Unfinished Tales or maybe the Letters. Gandalf's comment in the chapter "Many Meetings": "Because these horses are born and bred to the service of the Dark Lord in Mordor." OK, maybe I misinterpreted it, but the fact is, that the horses, "used" by the Nazgûl at the beginning of the War of the Ring were not stolen from Rohan, so that the note in brackets become in this context irrelevant. Maybe it should be discussed in a seperate article about the Black Horses? --Sigismond 08:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


We state both here and in our article on Khamûl that he was a "king" or "lord" of the Easterlings. Where can this statement be found? --Morgan 21:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

He was certainly an Easterling. He was probably some kind of leader, be it king or lord, but to state this would be speculation.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  22:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)