Merge to "Gelmir and Arminas"
As Gelmir and Arminas are minor characters, who only appear together, I think we should put them in the same article.
I reckon we have enough precedence with articles like "Elladan and Elrohir", "Eluréd and Elurín", and "Amrod and Amras" Oberiko (talk) 17:58, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- I agree. IvarTheBoneless (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
- I think that both pages should be improved and completed first (I will see if I can find the time to work on the page on Arminas soon). Afterwards, then perhaps this page could be merged to the page on Arminas due to that page having a longer edit history. After this, then Arminas could be moved to "Gelmir and Arminas" because that term is used by Christopher Tolkien multiple times.Dour1234 (talk) 22:42, 1 March 2025 (UTC)
I reckon this page has got as much attention as it will for the foreseeable future. I'd like to go ahead and merge, and then flesh out a bit. Oberiko (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
- I would like to see about expanding at least Arminas first to see what it would look like before you move Arminas to "Gelmir and Arminas" using the move function. I have just been very busy before, but this is something I have been meaning to do first before (1 March isn’t really that long ago).Dour1234 (talk) 20:01, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
- Once again - I agree with the merge, as well as fleshing out. IvarTheBoneless (talk) 11:47, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- I think they should both be fleshed out first. I will have one done soon.Dour1234 (talk) 21:29, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
Old Arminas page (for reference and merging)
Arminas was an Elf of Angrod's people who had lived in Dorthonion but later dwelt with Círdan's folk by the Mouths of Sirion. He and Gelmir were sent on a journey by Círdan as messengers and during their travels they met both Tuor and Túrin.
History
Arminas and Gelmir were sent by Círdan to Nargothrond after Círdan had received a message from the Vala Ulmo. Their journey went by ship to Drengist first, to seek for the Hidden Kingdom of Turgon but they did not find it.[1] While journeying inland they came upon Tuor who was seeking the Gate of the Noldor and they helped him by taking him part of the way through the great tunnel.[2]
After spying upon the gathering of Orcs in the Pass of Sirion they then travelled south to deliver Ulmo's message to King Orodreth. The message was that Nargothrond should shut its doors and that the bridge before the doors should be demolished to prevent a creeping evil from finding the gate.[3]
At this time Orodreth relied upon the counsel of Túrin, who scorned the words of the messengers,[3] for it was upon his advice that the bridge had been built and it was his policy for the King's forces to go forth openly to war.[4] Arminas then asked Túrin if he was of the House of Hador. This question greatly angered Túrin, for in Nargothrond he wished to be known only as Agarwaen and did not want it known that the son of Húrin resided in the fortress. In turn, Arminas became angry and upbraided Túrin for his lack of courtesy and unwillingness to listen to the advice of others.[5]
Arminas and Gelmir then left, and their message was ignored, leading to the destruction of that citadel by Glaurung.[1] Oberiko (talk) 23:45, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "The Fall of Nargothrond"
- ↑ J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), Unfinished Tales, "Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin", pp. 21-22
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "The Fall of Nargothrond", p. 173
- ↑ J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "The Fall of Nargothrond", pp. 161-163
- ↑ J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The Children of Húrin, "The Fall of Nargothrond", pp. 173-175