User talk:Dour1234

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Latest comment: 26 May 2023 by Dour1234 in topic Ancestry of Aragorn

Welcome![edit source]

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-- Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 05:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving pages[edit source]

Moving pages is not the wiki's priority, and not a work for newcomers. Pages must never been moved via copypasting! You ignored what I told you about using talkpages before moving anything, and obviously you still are unawared of the Tolkien Gateway:Naming policy, so I'm blocking you again. --LorenzoCB 20:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving talkpages is even less important, and I told you don't do it via copypasting; that way we loose the history of edits. Just👏don't👏move👏anything👏please! --LorenzoCB 16:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Calm down[edit source]

You made almost 20 edits in one day just in the Lungorthin article. Please, planify your edits and check the preview before saving. You are constantly correcting yourself and making useless microedits like removing spaces. Editing for the sake of editing does not help the wiki. My recommendation: choose a matter of your interest, study the sources, think how to apply it to the wiki and then edit with calm if it is necessary. Also, the correction on Lurgonthin being a Maia was a good reason for you to ask in the talkpage, but you simply reject it. I'm blocking you just couple of weeks, let's see if you can moderate yourself already. --LorenzoCB 22:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nameless Things[edit source]

The index of The Lord of the Rings was not written by J.R.R. Tolkien. You can learn some information about the index by reading the Note on the text and the introductory text of the Index of the 50th anniversary edition of The Lord of the Rings, which even explicitly says "Compiled by Christina Scull & Wayne G. Hammond". They only say that they also have "referred to the index, that Tolkien himself began to prepare during 1954, but which he left unfinished after dealing only with place names". Christina Scull & Wayne G. Hammond do not quote an entry for "Nameless Things" from J.R.R. Tolkien's unfinished index that was prepared by Nancy Smith for him and reviewed by him Unfinished index. The entry in the index in the 50th anniversary edition does not say "Nameless" (the term that you used in your edit), but says "Nameless, gnawing things" followed by the page number, which is the page where Gandalf calls them "nameless things". Since the nameless things are not a placename, it is probable that they were not included in the unfinished index that was reviewed by J.R.R. Tolkien. Also, generally reliable sources, such as Michael Martinez's and Mark Fisher's The Encyclopedia of Arda call them "Nameless Things". I suggest that you read the Templates to familiarize yourself with them before you edit and that you avoid breaking up your edits into microedits. The Template:RK contains an entry for the index and entries for subsections of the index. Since the index was not written by J.R.R. Tolkien it is not a reliable source. For example the entry in the index of the 50th anniversary edition of an e-book versions for Cirith Ungol reads "Cirith Ungol [Pass of the Spider] (High Pass, Nameless Pass)". If one reads the descriptions of the locations of the passes in the chapters it becomes clear that the Nameless Pass in the chapter The Stairs of Cirith Ungol is the Morgul Pass that is mentioned in The Black Gate Opens and in The Tower of Cirith Ungol. You create unnecessary work for other users to review your edits and to correct your edits if you do not support your edits with reliable sources and if you break up your edits into microedits. Lorenzo already told you on this talk page how to do thorough edits. --Akhorahil 07:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tevildo[edit source]

Several sections on the Tevildo page that you edited or created do not contain any reference. You have already been told to use references in your edits. You risk that your edits will be reverted and that you will be blocked again if you do not adhere to Tolkien Gateways's policies. --Akhorahil 08:39, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will get to adding the references right now.
Edit, just finished adding page references to the article, please name the other pages I need to do. Regardless, I am going to be adding page references to the Leaf by Niggle article now. I regret saying this as I just remembered I do not have that version with the correct pagination. However, I will still put the reference to the book, though. Edit again, what reference shortcut template do I use for specifically “Leaf by Niggle”? It is not mentioned on the references help page. --Dour1234, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't know what's the standard edition of "Leaf by Niggle" that should be used for the wiki. Adding a simple reference without pagination will always better than no reference at all. In the case of Tevildo, I'll have to change all your work, as the pagination does not match the one used by Christopher Tolkien or the wiki. --LorenzoCB 10:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Southward Road[edit source]

I noticed that you created a new page called Southward Road. While it is positive that you noticed that the name Southward Road is used once with capital characters at the beginning of each word, which signifies a proper name, you did not include a page number for the 50th anniversary edition of The Lord of the Rings and left the page unfinished although it does not require much content. In addition, you do not seem to have performed research if the road could be another name for the Harad Road and you do not seem to have looked at the information on the Harad Road with the fact that J.R.R. Tolkien used the name Harad Road for the part of the road to the south of the Cross-roads on a draft map. You phrased the information that you wrote like it was fact. Please do not make any edits until you have thoroughly researched a topic and until you can include complete references. Very often it is better not to make edits at all. --Akhorahil 09:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Caves of the Forgotten[edit source]

You create extra work for other users if you do not read the sources carefully and do not prepare your edits carefully. If was quite plain from the text that only the mortal men that came ashore, but not Ar-Pharazôn and not Tar-Miriel were buried in the Caves of the Forgotten. You created a title for a section called "Other versions" with information from manuscripts of J.R.R. Tolkien from The Lost Road and Other Writings. The standard title for such a section on Tolkien Gateway is Other versions of the legendarium. The standards of Tolkien Gateway require to make all reasonable efforts to include page numbers if you use books from The History of Middle-earth series, such as The Lost Road and Other Writings. Lorenzo and I corrected your errors. --Akhorahil 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Southward Road[edit source]

The standards of Tolkien Gateway require to make all reasonable efforts to include page numbers if you use The Lord of the Rings or books from The History of Middle-earth series, such as The War of the Ring as references. You used both sources in your edit on this page and did not include any page numbers. The reference to The War of the Ring was not necessary, because The Lord of the Rings already contains this information. The implied statement that the Southward Road merged into the Harad Road is a speculation that you did not disclose as being a speculation. In addition, you could have made more research about the names that J.R.R. Tolkien used for various parts on his maps and could have found the existing page about the Harad Road. I corrected your errors. --Akhorahil 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Éowyn[edit source]

The standard on other pages about people from Rohan for the name of the language in infoboxes is Rohirric. J.R.R. Tolkien used the name Rohan for the language and not the name Rohanese that you used in the infobox. He used Rohanese once, but it is not clear if its use in that context was intended as the name of the language or just an adjective. Do not change Rohirric before discussing the topic on Talk pages. You created a title for a section called "Other versions" with information from manuscripts of J.R.R. Tolkien from TI. The standard title for such a section on Tolkien Gateway is Other versions of the legendarium. The standards of Tolkien Gateway require to make all reasonable efforts to include page numbers if you use books from The History of Middle-earth series, such as The Treason of Isengard. I corrected your errors. --Akhorahil 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Idis, Helm, Helm's daughter[edit source]

Again the same issued here with the name of the language in the infobox and with missing page numbers. In addition, there was an implied speculation on the Helm's daughter page that Helm hit Freca only because he asked for the hand of Helm's daughter for his son Wulf. You did not explain that Freca insulted and threatened Helm before Helm hit him. I corrected those pages. --Akhorahil 11:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edits to the Bor (Taliska) and Angbor (stone) pages[edit source]

I reviewed your edits on the Bor (Taliska) and Angbor (stone) pages. Your edits did not include any reference for the changes that you made. The Tolkien Gateyway Manual of Style and Help:References require references and require references with page numbers if you want to include information from The War of the Jewels. The fact that the Angbor (stone) page did not have a reference using a template and did not have a reference with page numbers does not make the edit any better. Your edits create additional work for other users to review and correct your edits by adding missing references. Please do not edit unless you make and edit with proper references. --Akhorahil (talk) 12:34, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was going to add references to the bor (Taliska) page. I made one edit on that page intending to do a reference edit immediately after, but something unforeseen came up in real life that I had to see to which could not wait. I was intending to make that reference edit literally now, but you beat me to it. As for the Angbor (stone) page, my last edit on that page was months ago in April, at a time before I grew familiar with the wiki policies over this past summer.Dour1234 (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question[edit source]

Hello. Should the page Incorporated retitled to Amazon (company)?I am saying that beacause on Wikipedia the page of this company is titled Amazon (company) and not Incorporated.Should this be discussed with other uses and administrators of Tolkien Gateway or not? Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου 20:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia has multiple pages unrelated to the Amazon company that has the name Amazon in it. They have to have company in parentheses because they need pages to be simplified. I figured that since there won’t be any confusion on here, it should be the actual company name.Dour1234 (talk) 21:08, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am sorry but I don't understand.What do you mean? Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου 21:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Btw, we don't need so many separated articles for Amazon and its branches. I'd say only Amazon Studios is enough. --LorenzoCB (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree, though maybe Incorporated should be kept instead of Amazon Studios, as they are the main branch.Dour1234 (talk) 21:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power[edit source]

Hello.I would like to ask you something.Why did you reversed the edits that I did on the page The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power? I think this page needs a tidying up on the Content External Links.Some websites need to be removed, because they are unessecary.Do you understand what I am saying? ----User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου, 12.22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Some things mentioned in the articles are not mentioned in the show or are not clear in the show.Dour1234 (talk) 17:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving pages[edit source]

Hi Dour1234. Regarding your recent moving of the page "Phil LaMarr" to "Phillip LaMarr", it might be a good idea to discuss moving pages in the talk page before going ahead. From what I've seen in the past (and a quick google), this actor tends to be credited by the first name "Phil". Although somewhat inconsequential for this relatively minor page on TG, I'd urge you to discuss via the talk page before moving articles in the future. Thank you. --GondolinFan (talk) 23:03, 25 November 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power title card opening[edit source]

Hello.I would like to ask you something.Why did you change the main image that I put on page The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power?I put it because it is the title opening card for each episode of The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power series.Do you understand what I am saying? --User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου talk, 02.40, 03 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I reverted your edit because the title card opening does not reflect the show as a whole. As I explained in my edit summary, it only appears within episodes two through eight and does not appear in episode one and any of the extra content, primarily because it does not appear in episode one.Dour1234 (talk) 06:05, 3 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving images[edit source]

I would like to ask you something.Why do you change the name of the images that I uploaded and are related to The Lord of the Rings The Rings of Power series? I think that all the names of these images that you changed and I uploaded and I named it are fine.So, there is nothing wrong.You didn't have to do all these changes in those images that you did today.Do you understand what I am saying? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 22:08, 04 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Back[edit source]

Hello.Welcome back here, on Tolkien Gateway. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images Numenor[edit source]

Hello.I think that you didn't have to do all these things you did on the images that I just upoladed. Anyway, I have no problem with you, in order for you to know.I am not trying to offend you. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 00:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The reason why I changed the name of the image of the citadel of Armenelos was because the name of that place is the King's Court. As such, having the name of the image be the name of what it depicts is better in my opinion than having the name be a generic name. The reason why I changed the image that you called the harbour of Númenor was because Númenor does not just have one harbour and one city. Despite my issue with those two names, the images that you upload are very good. Speaking of which, I had previously posted a question on your talk page.Dour1234 (talk) 01:44, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello.I just read your message that you wrote to me on my talk page and I would like to say to you that I haven't found any image of the exterior of Hall of Lore.As of any image of the exterior of the King's Tower I haven't searched it yet, if you want to know. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 21:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There actually is a shot of the exterior of the Hall of Lore before the interior is shown. It is shown in a wide shot for a few moments from two angles when Captain Elendil and Galadriel are just riding up to the overhang that it lies upon. There are also some shots of it in the behind the scenes video for that episode, which is six minutes long, so it would likely be easier to find the shots that I am referring to in there. However, the best shot in my opinion is at the absolute beginning of Scene 29 and the time stamp is at 29:50/39:32. You would know that it is the right shot if the subtitles are just beginning to bleed the sound of "hammering" from the next shot. As for the King's Tower, there are multiple great exterior shots of it. In fact, in episode three, there is a night shot of it in the "Episode Stills" section of the "Bonus Content" tab of the X-ray feature that can be accessed within the episode. It is not centered, but perhaps you could go to that shot where the time stamp is at 57:33 just immediately before it cuts to Miriel walking up the stairs of the tower. There may be better shots of it, but this is a start. On a side note, when you upload the images to the wiki, I do think that they should be called "Hall of Lore" and "King's Tower" respectively. In addition, I just found a shot of the Watchtower of Ostirith that may be better than the current one. It is in episode four and the time stamp is 18:58/52:45. It shows the Watchtower from the other side, which includes not only the tower and the top bridge, but also the pathway carved into the two hills and the two bridges “below” the top bridge. Perhaps the current image of it could be replaced by the shot I just mentioned as there is only room on the Watchtower of Ostirith page for one image. There is also a concept art section on the X-Ray feature. Those should perhaps be on the wiki as well. I hope that all of this helps. Thanks.Dour1234 (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images[edit source]

Hello and happy new year to you. You did good job for uploading these images you uploaded today, and for all of these editings but be careful, not to be blogged again from TG by LorenzoCB or by any other administrator of TG.I am just warning for you in order for the worse for you to be prevented.Nothing more. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 21:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power plot[edit source]

Hello. I would like to ask you something. Have you seen episodes 6 - 8 (six to eight, I mean)? I am asking that because if you did, then add informations about the plot and about the differences that all of these episodes have from Tolkiem's books. So, what do you think? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have seen those episodes, but I would prefer editing and revising it once someone does add that information in. However, if I must, then I will add in that information.Dour1234 (talk) 23:04, 5 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem[edit source]

Hello user Dour1234.OK. No problem.In this case, the result is the same. The page still exists, albelt in other name. --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 14:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Help[edit source]

Hello user Dour1234.Can you help me in editing the template:films that I just edited? I don't know what to do I think you understand my intentions about this template that I just edited.Don't you? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 00:35, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Elros (Mirkwood guard)[edit source]

Hi! I've seen your changes to the Elros (Mirkwood guard) page and the new links you put on the pages for the two radio series where the character appears. However, currently both of those links are redlinks, because you linked to "Chief of the guards" and not Elros. Was that on purpose? Also, just in general, should the Elros page be moved, now that it's not chiefly about the movie character anymore? Or were you already planning on doing that? Regards, Adunoeth (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The redlinks were an oversight on my part. Thanks for bringing them to my attention. I will change the links to go to the proper page. As for moving the current page, I have no plans on making a move proposal as the name of the page itself does not matter and I see nothing wrong with the current name since it is still a name that was given to the character and the name is still mentioned in the Portrayal in adaptations section, so the name truly is “accurate” in a way. All that matters is the content of the page. However, if you want to make a proposal to the “Authorities” (this is a joke), or to the admins of the site, or to the site-creator, go on ahead, but do not mention me because I am not going to make such a proposal myself because the current name is fine in my opinion.
If you can find any information on the character in LOTRO, could you possibly add it to the page? I am having no luck in finding such information. Dour1234 (talk) 00:38, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oliphaunts[edit source]

Hello, Considerations about their size can be an indication of whether they are elephants or distinct animals resembling elephants. Sorry for "unsourced statements" but how to source something which can be seen in a movie? It seems somewhat difficult. 19:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I reverted your edit because what you stated is already said in the “Portrayal in adaptations” section on the page.Dour1234 (talk) 19:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes you're right. I displaced it in the right section. 19:33, 20 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Eye of Sauron[edit source]

Hello.There was no reason to do what you did on the page The Eye of Sauron, and I am referring to the fact that you reduced the images of the Eye of Sauron in adaptations. Just pit it according to the right timeline of the first appearence. OK? --Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου (talk) 15:41, 06 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ancestry of Aragorn[edit source]

Are you planning to extend the family tree of Aragorn because there are a lot more members and its a bit complicated?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 07:14, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am presuming that you are talking about my sandbox page on the ancestry of Eldarion? I underestimated how complex it was and I have been at a loss for a while now on how to literally put it all down with every single possible member listed, but mentioned only once on the page. Despite it being a user page, feel free to add to it. My goal for that user page is for it to have every connection possible, even unnamed characters (so not every name has to have a link).Dour1234 (talk) 17:52, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would love to do it, but the problem is if we start we'll have to connect all the members of House of Hador, House of Haleth, House of Beor, House of Finwe, Kinfolk of Thingol and many more to Elros, I tried it but sadly i think it's not possible. Have you tried an external editor? --Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 01:28, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have not tried an external editor (though I do not know what you mean by that). I do believe it would be very beneficial to see how far into completion such a genealogical tree can get before it becomes impossible to continue, no matter how convoluted and complecated the layout could get.Dour1234 (talk) 20:04, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, let's see what I can do. I hope you don't mind me editing your sandbox.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 01:02, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do not mind.Dour1234 (talk) 01:22, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]