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General Information
Other namesTatalië
MembersTata, Tatië, Finwë, Morwë and/or Nurwë
Physical Description
DistinctionsAncestors of the Noldor and the Tatyarin Avari
GalleryImages of Tatyar

Tatyar (Q, pron. [ˈtacar]) or Tatalië[1] was the original name of the second Clan of the Elves, before the Great March. The Clan-name, meaning 'Seconds' (q. cardinal (t)atya 'second') was derived from the name of the father of the Clan, Tata 'Two', the second Elf-father to awake at Cuiviénen.

The other original clans in Cuiviénen were the Minyar 'Firsts', and Nelyar 'Thirds' according to the Elf-fathers Imin 'One' and Enel 'Three'. The Tatyar were 56 in number out of the original 144 Elves who awoke at Cuiviénen. Half of them followed Finwë in the March and became the Noldor and half of them stayed back with Morwë and/or Nurwë.

Some of the Avari who were of the Tatyarin origin eventually reached Beleriand and acknowledged their kinship with the Noldor, but were unfriendly, jealous of their more exalted kin, and considered them arrogant.[2]


  1. J.R.R. Tolkien, Carl F. Hostetter (ed.), The Nature of Middle-earth, "Part One. Time and Ageing: XVII. Generational Schemes", p. 128
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.), The War of the Jewels, "Part Four. Quendi and Eldar", pp. 380-1
(Quendi · People of the Stars · Firstborn · Elder Kindred)
Three Kindreds:
(Eldar · Eldalië · Edhil)
 Vanyar (Fair-elves · Minyar) · Noldor (Deep-elves · Tatyar) · Teleri (Lindar · Nelyar)
(High-elves · Amanyar)
 Vanyar · Noldor · Falmari
Úmanyar:  Sindar (Grey-elves · Eglath · Falathrim) · Nandor (Green-elves · Silvan Elves)
 Moriquendi:  Úmanyar · Avari (Cuind · Hwenti · Kindi · Kinn-lai · Penni · Windan)
See also:  Awakening of the Elves · Sundering of the Elves · Great Journey