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"Saeros' Fatal Leap" by Ted Nasmith
Biographical Information
Other namesOrgol (see below)
PositionCounsellor to Thingol
BirthYears of the Trees[2]
DeathF.A. 484[3]
Tributary of Esgalduin[4]
Physical Description
GalleryImages of Saeros

Saeros was an Elf of the Nandor[2] who lived in Doriath.


Saeros was a member of the court of King Thingol, taking refuge there after the fall of his lord Denethor in the First Battle. In Menegroth, he won the esteem of the king and the friendship of Daeron. When Túrin came to Doriath as a fosterchild five centuries later, Saeros had become a counsellor to the King, and was jealous that such honor should be given to a Man.[6]

When Túrin was twenty, Saeros insulted him at a royal dinner, comparing the Men of Hithlum to animals. In his anger Túrin struck him with a goblet, injuring him. The next day Saeros ambushed Túrin in the woods, but was overcome. Túrin went on to strip him naked and told him to run back to Menegroth like an animal. While running in terror Saeros fell into a ravine and died. Túrin, fearing King Thingol's wrath, fled Doriath[6], calling himself Neithan ("The Wronged").[7]


Saeros' name is difficult to translate, but might mean "Bitter Rain" in Sindarin (from saer = "bitter"[8] and ross = "rain").[source?] If "bitter" is the root word of his name, then Saeros is probably a epithet.[source?]


b. F.A.
d. F.A. 484

Other versions of the legendarium

In one variant of the Narn, during his first introduction, Saeros is described as the kinsman of Daeron, and in another, his brother.[9]

In The Later Annals of Beleriand he is named Orgof and is a kinsman of Thingol. He was slain by Turin at the king's board.[10]:112

This story is similar in the Quenta Silmarillion and the The Grey Annals where he continues to be named Orgof and is slain when Turin casts a drinking vessel into his face.[11]:§40[12]

In an accompanying note to The Grey Annals, Tolkien wrote the name Orgol in the margin;[1] in the appendix to The Children of Húrin, Christopher Tolkien made the following comment on the issue:

It seems, incidentally, certain from a closer understanding of the relations of the manuscripts that my father rejected the name Saeros and replaced it by Orgol, which by 'linguistic accident' coincides with Old English orgol, orgel 'pride'. But it seems to me too late now to remove Saeros.