Tolkien Gateway:Task list

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Unexpected Party by David T. Wenzel

This page lists specific tasks to be completed in Tolkien Gateway. Feel free to add new suggestions of things to be improved in the wiki, but remember this is "the J.R.R. Tolkien encyclopedia that anyone can edit", so you can also pick a task and get into it. Just do not forget to follow the Manual of Style. Users can also be involved in wider projects.

Wiki updating[edit source]

Discussed by gatekeepers in Discord
  • Create a common bot for technical stuff.
    • Change images in publication infoboxed to 275px.
  • Create Tolkien Gateway:General disclaimer.
  • Update favicon.
  • Displaytitle is ignored when there is no direct equivalence with the page's actual title.

New Letters[edit source]

  • Remove the previously unpublished letters out of the list and category, and move their name article to the name in the new edition: "Letter ##a/b/c...".
  • While doing the previous task, change the links all over the wiki, specially dates and references.
  • Update Template:Letters.
  • Create a new Template:L for the new edition, and apply it where necessary.
  • Include the new info (if any) all over the wiki.

Reddit[edit source]

Pointed by various users in a Reddit post
  • the War of Wrath article talks about the presence of the Valar during the battle, but there's nothing in the text stating that they were actually present.
  • Please more clearly define First Age (the First Age began in VY 4550 with the Awakening of the Elves, ended with the beginning of the Years of the Sun according to the Valinorean loremasters, but for the loremasters of the Noldor Exiles, included the 590 sun years from the rising of the Sun to the overthrow of Morgoth.)
  • The Timeline article and the Timeline/First Age article both incorrectly mark the beginning of the First Age in the first year of the Years of the Sun instead of VY 1050.
  • "Years of the Lamps" is fanon for the 3500 Valian year period from the descent of the Ainur into Arda up to the creation of the Two Trees. This time should be "Days before days".
  • The time within the "Days before days" that was lit by the Two Lamps is the Spring of Arda.
  • Nazgûl#Powers_and_abilities is mostly fanon.

Quanta Sarmë[edit source]

Pointed by Erkenbard in Discord
  • the page about Quanta Sarmë says that "its usage and characters are a mystery" and lacks any information about qanta-tenkele from PE22, while that system, fully explained there and readily useable, is essentially the same full writing system as later Quanta Sarmë, I believe, or at least it is worth mentioning in connection with the latter; so some of the editors with access to PE22 might want to take a look at this matter.

Silvan Elvish[edit source]

Explained by Ellanto in Discord

During the 2nd sundering the Nandor (Q. for "those who go back") split off from the Teleri; over time therefore their language deviates from the Old Telerin tongue, and forms the Nandorin language. The Nandor then split once more as the Laiquendi go west, and later their dialects drift apart: thus East Danian and West Danian.

"Silvan Elvish" is itself an umbrella term for the various dialects of Elvish spoken by various groups of Elves in later Ages. These languages descend from the East Danian dialect(s), but are not synonymous with it/them, because they don't coexist: East Danian refers to the language of the eastern Nandor in the 1st Age , "Silvan Elvish" is a term applicable to the 2nd & 3rd. Furthermore, the Silvan Elvish tongues are noted to have been influenced by Avarin tongues, brought by Avarin peoples who migrated westwards over time and mingled with the Silvan Elves; East Danian had no such influences (yet).

To summarise: East Danian evolved over time, with some Avarin influence, into what is later known as "Silvan Elvish", which is itself an umbrella term for several closely related dialects - similar to the relation between Old and Modern English. As a side-note, I would be careful with saying "Danian (from their leader Dân)", as it is currently phrased on both of the pages you linked; this is a false assumption. The element dan- is cognate of Q. nan- in the Telerin languages, e.g. Quenya Nandor "those who go back" is equivalent to the Sindarin terms Danedhel, Danwaith, Danathrim. This first element comes from Primitive Elvish √NDAN.

This however seems to have nothing to do with Lenwe/Dân/Denweg: if his name was based on the same root, it would be Nenwe in Quenya, not Lenwe. In his case the element is √DAN, which is unattested and likely related to √NDAN, but distinct from it. My point is - saying "Danian is from Dân" is mixing up cause and effect.

Another side-note - reference #2 in both of these pages (citing PE17/153) is unnecessary and does not fit there, it should be replaced with another instance of ref #1 (PE18/78).

A collection of important & useful Tolkien websites[edit source]

Suggested by User:Luotiansha
  • This page - Websites - is intended to be an index to all the useful and good websites both now and past. It is best to give a short description to each of these entries. Anyone can add entries to it.

Books[edit source]

Suggested by User:Luotiansha

TolkienGuide store
↑This, is a good place to check the upcoming books & editions. It also lists many other Tolkien-related books, if any of them does not currently have a page on TolkienGateway, hey, you know what to do.

A HarperCollins books sheet
↑A google sheet of HarperCollins books, could be useful for reference. (source)

Infoboxes[edit source]

Suggested by User:IvarTheBoneless
  • Change the Noldor/Vanyar/Falmari infoboxes to include the 'people' section, so that Gnomes, Teleri, and Solosimpi characters could be under their respective infoboxes. Subsequently delete the Gnomes infobox.
  • Maybe create a super infobox for characters that magically changes its color depending of the race.

Contributions[edit source]

Suggested by User:Dour1234
Suggested by User:Sage

Some priorities[edit source]

Suggested by User:LorenzoCB
Good summary! A note: some years ago we discussed page references to UT, and found that the pagination is not consistent in the different editions (unlike the Houghton Mifflin/HarperCollins HoME, and works that have a "standard" edition like LotR). I therefore made an expanded citation template for UT, since there are several divisions and sub-divisions in the book. But perhaps there are new reasons to start including page references to UT as well? --Morgan 22:29, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
Christopher Tolkien uses UT pagination constantly thoughtout HOME, so using the same as him is perfectly consistent with what we already have. I've always included pages when citing UT, aware that it was the same as the one used by Christopher. Expanding the citation template was useful nontheless, but having the more precise references, the better. --LorenzoCB 12:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)